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  • posted by  redbex74 on Fed up!
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    Hi Lancslass, have you tried cutting out dairy. I have had very dry flaky skin for many years which has improved by cutting out dairy.
    There are so many alternatives in the supermarket these days, I love almond milk on my cereal in the morning but you can also get dairy free alternatives for butter and cheese. Good luck and hope you are feeling better soon.

  • posted by  Danz on Why would Phase 1: Repair cause diarrhea?
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    TLDR: I’ve experienced just over a week of diarrhea or really loose stools, since going onto the repair phase of the Clever Guts diet (no dairy, gluten, coffee or processed food) – any help out there about why that might be or what I can do about it?

    I’m in my mid-30s and I’ve had discomfort in my stomach/guts for the last year (pain at times, or just general discomfort, and regularly constipated with the odd bout of random diarrhea) and these issues started with a fairly acute episode where I had a lot of pain in my stomach/guts that made me want to almost be sick/stop eating (I wasn’t sick though).

    I’ve been through doctors and had every test done to try and find out what’s going on (blood tests, stool tests, breath tests, ultrasounds, CT, endo & gastroscopy etc) and according to these tests I’m very healthy (yay!)!

    I also started a fairly stressful job a few months before my stomach/gut issues started, so that led me to think that stress might have contributed to the issues kicking off…

    Given anything serious being ruled out, that’s left me to think that it must be related to diet and I’ve stumbled on the Clever Guts Diet after seeing amazing transition in my mother-in-law. I thought I ate fairly well, but would have some sort of processed food most days (a cookie, some chips or chocolate etc), wasn’t eating a very wide variety of greens (just a simple salad and meat most nights) and was also taking a fibre supplement each morning to try and help with the constipation.

    I decided to give the Phase 1: Repair a go, which was a bit of a shock to my system (especially giving up caffeine and dairy, but also gluten and cutting out the junk I would eat too). I had a shocking headache for the first 3 days, but just as that cleared, I started to get the loose stools which moved into diarrhea and hasn’t changed since (now day 10).

    I’m at a bit of a loss as to what the next steps should be – whether I should abandon the diet and just try to deal with the diarrhea, or whether it might just take a couple of weeks for my guts to adjust to a new way of being?

    I’m starting to feel very exhausted as the days go on, so I’m not sure whether I’m helping myself or hindering myself! Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

  • posted by  Ratgirl on Seaweed capsules
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    Hi Pia, it appears that your campaign is now closed and although I’ve noticed other products on your site the capsules are not listed. Is there a way to purchase the capsules? I live in Adelaide, South Australia.

  • Here’s an interesting article on why the gut may actually benefit from intermittent fasting:

    https://medium.com/lifeomic/why-your-gut-microbes-love-intermittent-fasting-5716948281a3?fbclid=IwAR3wN_aXAxd8DJ7ukRZjuSuFKooFu9PKpw6E7fdTXH3Uz8RSQP7hOFRMKus

    “Intermittent fasting and other forms of dietary restriction, together with intake of fiber and other gut microbe enhancing foods, can theoretically increase insulin sensitivity, reduce inflammation, enhance immune tolerance and tissue repair, boost mitochondrial function, rid the body of damaged senescence cells and ultimately increase health and longevity.”

  • posted by  girragirra on gut health post chemotherapy
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    Hello!
    I’m wondering if anyone has any experience or knows of any trial work done in the area of gut health post chemotherapy which I’ve just begun.
    I’m assuming chemo will wreak serious havoc with my mocrobiome and only wish I had thought to have it tested before starting chemo.
    There don’t seem to be many testing options currently in Australia although maybe I’ve just not found them?
    I would love to hear of any clinical trials / research in this area.
    Would also love to hear any suggestions for dealing with the after effects of chemo beyond making and eating a broad range of ferments and prebiotic food which I am doing or considering a poo transplant post treatment.
    Cheers!

  • posted by  Ian Spencer on Kefir idea – overnight oats
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    Try soaking 1 cup of porridge oats mixed with 2 cups of kefir & leaving it to soak overnight in the fridge. On a fasting day, it’s a delicious breakfast on its own. On a non-fasting day, it’s even more delicious with added fruit & honey 😋 There are also lots of other recipes for ‘overnight oats’, using milk & yoghurt, online.

  • posted by  Ian Spencer on Which cider vinegar?
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    I’ve found a Spanish raw cider vinegar, with the mother, in Home Bargains for £1.15. Tasty too 😋

  • posted by  Dirk1973 on Biome testing in Australia?
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    you say ‘I eat pretty well, low carb, high protein most of the time. ‘
    ‘Low carb’ ki11ed my bacteria, do not believe the ‘keto hype’. I’ve switched onto whole food plant based (WFPB) Since Dec 2017 and feeling much better. Paleo is also a disaster, meat will rip your guts to shreds. Look up Dr Michael Greger on YouTube best, an eye opener for me.

    Also, fish oil has been PROVEN not to make any difference to cognitive performance or cardio health, only negative from all the contaminants.

  • posted by  vicc on Reintroducing gluten
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    The Clever Guts regime has been working well for me over the last 3 weeks, so I decided to reintroduce gluten – a baguette and some beer – on Saturday evening. I was completely symptom free until Tuesday evening (72 hours after) when I started experiencing discomfort again. I had also had my first portion of red lentils on Tuesday lunchtime, after excluding them, so I am wondering if it is most likely to be the pulses which triggered the reaction. I hadn’t planned to introduce pulses at that point but I was stuck at work. Would the gluten have triggered a reaction before 72 hours elapsed? I am feeling very disappointed as I was starting to feel so much better, but I would love any thoughts from more experienced people on this. Thanks.

  • posted by  Mumra on Microbiome testing
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    I’m keen to have my microbiome tested but see that on website only one company is mentioned and not available in UK. Has anyone tried a UK based company that they can recommend or any to avoid. Thanks.

  • posted by  Lancslass on Fed up!
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    Hi all I could really use some help. I have IBS that has been diagnosed by my GP but I think I may also have a yeast infection as I have itchy ears and eczema intermittently. I’ve just turned 65 and feel like this is it now! I’ve tried cutting out carbs and sugars but I still keep getting pains and acid and bloating. Sorry I’ve rambled a bit here but I just don’t know what to do – any suggestions? Thanks

  • posted by  Amylilley on Confused!
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    Hi there….. I have Ibs and I do better on white breads etc when it’ flares up…..I know, so wrong!!, we get told the opposite but fibre doesn’t help my pain in that time period and white rice, plain white breads and plain starches help me alot. ☺

  • posted by  Amylilley on Low iron
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    I have what was diagnosed as Ibs and have been dealing with symtoms for years now. I turned vegetarian a while back and found that helped as I don’t digest meat very well and it makes my symptoms worse.
    I have never been able to eat large amounts of iron rich greens and high iron vegetarian foods either due to the Ibs so now I have very low iron, which I don’t know how to fix……I cannot take iron pills as I suffer terrible headaches on them , which rules out transfusion as it will have the same effect if not worse. ….and who knows if my stomach even absorbs iron anymore after so many years not working well. I eat good food, take protiotics and b12…… but my iron is the problem and it’s been decreasing everytime I get tested.

  • posted by  GeorgeH on Diet or eating plan ?
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    Im new – so I have 2 questions :
    1, Is the Clever Guts Diet an eating plan that one can continually use? ( as opposed to most diets which once you’ve achieved what you set out do – you stop! )

    2. What is the difference between Clever Guts and a Paleo diet ?

  • posted by  Andy Small on Seaweed and Psoriasis
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    Hi, I’ve just seen this, so you may have worked it out already.
    If not, Windows 10 has a “snipping” app, it’s in Windows Accessories.
    Get your recipe (or anything else) on screen, open the snipping tool (I keep mine on the task bar) and select New.
    Then all you have to do is draw a box around the area you wish to keep, save it to your Recipe folder, from where you can print it out 🙂
    Hope this helps someone, if not you.
    Andy

  • posted by  johnpoi on akkermansia
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    i’ve just got my results back from the british gut project and one glaring omission is akkermansia. from what i’ve read so far my diet seems to be one which would support its’ production as i eat plenty of polyphenol rich foods. does this mean i need some way of introducing it to my gut? and if so, how?

  • posted by  eddietla on Nightshade Intolerances and Depression
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    Hi Bizibee,
    After reading articles on resistant starch,I was lead to believe when u eat cold potato,rice,etc,it gets absorbed in the large intestine and not the small.Thus no sugar hit from the carbs.But ofcause me no Nutritionist.

  • posted by  IBD on Confused!
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    I am recently diagnosed with inflammatory bowel disease…I have had colonoscopies, and am on medication. I feel certain that the answer will lie in food and diet, but after a few half hearted attempts I am just confused and don’t know what to do next. I’ve had some good days, but more not so good with loose stools and grumbling swollen tummy. I have read articles on the internet, and bought the Clever Guts book – but this seems to more for IBS than IBD? I don’t know how to cut out foods sensibly in order to identify the ones causing problems. I’ve tried Actimel, and I’ve tried Kefir….the internet advised cutting out healthy whole foods, and substituting with white bread, white rice etc – the very opposite of what we’ve always been told!!
    Any advice gratefully received!!!

  • posted by  eddietla on Nightshade Intolerances and Depression
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    Since I’ve been reading the ‘Clever Guts Diet’ book,my depression has improved remarkably.I’m sticking to it now.
    I have read articles where,by cooling pasta,rice,potatoes after cooking,the structure in them changes to resistance starch and is obsorbed by a big intestine Instead of the small.I would dearly love advise from a professional if this is true or not.I am also reading thke ‘8 week blood sugar diet’ (fewer carbs).

  • posted by  Argussie on Seaweed and Psoriasis
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    I am just one person who has had psoriasis for sixty years. Mine is the kind that gets worse in sunshine so I always have to cover up, though I know that this is unusual. I followed the above suggestion and tried liquidising 5g (that’s 2 1/4 sheets) of sushi nori from the supermarket in vegetable soup. After a daily dose for about five weeks my psoriasis more or less cleared up. I still had to protect myself from sunshine. I don’t know if it was the nori, my age or something else, but I would say it could be worth a try.

  • posted by  m.chung on Alflorex
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    Is there any research done on Alflorex precisionbiotics, has been recommended by Gastro Consultant, personally I think that it’s a placebo effect due to my circumstances. I have started taking them but having doubts that it will solve my gut problems.

  • posted by  StephK on Microbiome testing in New Zealand
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    Hi there, I’ve just had a test done through Bioscreen in Australia, organised through my holistic GP in Auckland. Am waiting on the results. So I would contact Bioscreen and ask which GP’s/naturopaths in Wellington could refer, or maybe you could just do it direct with them. Good luck.

  • posted by  gowermonkey on olive oil
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    Having seen the Clever Guts Book comments on Italian Olive oil I was minded to comment that as a regular daily drinker of olive oil the best I have found is GREEK . Apparently the most beneficial is that derived from the Koroneiki olive in terms of it being a good source of Polyphenols and Flavonoids, which help to fight against harmful free radicals.It also tastes as good as any I have tried and is “drinkable ” .I buy from http://www.maltbyandgreek.com . Perhaps these guys are worth checking out ? Be interesting to see if this is really the best in terms of health benefits – I cant say myself one way or the other and I have no interest in that company other than being a very small time customer .

  • posted by  Wellylass1 on A note from Michael on the book
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    hi all,
    Has there been any update on the brands of Olive Oil that are best to use? I’m in New Zealand, so looking for a brand available in this hemisphere!
    Thanks in advance.

  • posted by  Wellylass1 on Microbiome testing in New Zealand
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    Hi
    I’ve just read the Clever Guts book and really interested to have my microbiome tested, does anyone know of any reputable companies that would service the Wellington, New Zealand area?

    Thanks in advance!

  • A while ago I chronicled a very interesting study called the SMILES trial, which investigated the link between depression and nutrition. It focused on what it called the Med-Mod diet, a (sort of) version of the Mediterranean diet.

    Here’s a little more information on the evidence linking nutrition and depression: https://www.amatterofsnacks.com/nutrition-for-depression-treatment/

    Do you think there’s a link between food and mood?

  • posted by  Texidee on Ulcerative collitis
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    Hi Slaura, I’ve suffered the same disease all my life. I have regular colonoscopies and have followed the FODMAP diet. I highly recommend it. It was developed by an Australian university, and I believe Dr Mosley recommends it here too. I’ve only just started reading the book. You can purchase the FODMAP app for a low price, it’s easy to use and gives you a thorough guide of foods to avoid and then try re introducing, plus a meal plan and recipes. There are so many foods that I didn’t know caused terrible problems, such as corn! When having a flare up, I often follow their initial one week meal plan, it’s almost like a good detox. I start feeling better within a few days. I’ve learnt what my trigger foods are and avoid as much as possible. Best of luck to your Daughter in law, I empathise with her pain.

  • posted by  Topcoach on Microbiome stool testing advice sought for UK resident
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    I used Atlas and found their product well designed and easy to use. The results are well presented and give detailed advice as to what you should do to change your diet. It also identifies areas where you are at higher risk of various diseases. I too was uncertain as to the scientific basis of the analysis and recommendations but, upon probing further, I found that a lot of work had gone into the product design and suggested they explain this in more detail for those customers who wish to know. Inevitably, my delving gave customer support more to do than they envisaged but they responded extremely well. Overall, very professional and good value for money.

  • posted by  Topcoach on Micro biome testing
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    I suspect food allergies can only be identified if they are DNA related. For example, some people smell asparagus in their urine others do not. If you are short on cash I would recommend the biome test because at least you can see what to do with the results. In Michael’s book, he mentions various companies so you could shop around. I found Atlas “user friendly ” particularly for the non medical amongst us. Their customer support was extremely good and responsive.

  • posted by  trigel on British gut project results
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    Hi,
    I would be VERY careful of taking Roaccutane, we feel that it has completely ruined his life! He never had any health issues before it, but had to be taken off it because he was severely depressed (bordering on suicidal), he’s not been the same person since. One day we were chatting about his mental health and we both agreed that he’d not been the same since taking the Roaccutane, and I said ‘I wonder if it’s connected?’. I then came across 3 fascinating programmes on the microbiome on Radio 4 called The Second Genome. Listening to them was a light bulb moment.
    Please research thoroughly, I regret not researching more myself before he took it, and we wish he’d never taken it. His skin was actually better when he came off it than when he was on it.
    Good luck with the kefir, we’re hoping that it might help. I’ll keep you posted x

  • posted by  ste92 on British gut project results
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    Thanks for the reply. I just googled the company, it’s the crowdfunded one right? I have not read this yet but I found a page about it on these forums so maybe they mention what to do to follow up? – https://cleverguts.com/forums/topic/british-gut-project/
    Are the results pretty clear to read? I was chatting with someone on the forums this morning who mentioned a company called Atlast and it’s almost double the price, I am wondering if, in terms of gut bacteria numbers and information like that, this one is the same for a cheaper price…

    on a seperate note can I ask if roaccutane cleared his skin even after coming off it? the doctors want me to try it you see. I don’t really want to mess my insides up anymore without knowing the current damage. However after 10 years using various things such as lymocyclin and a few others I have learnt that mine probably are not going to go on their own as soon as I come off the medications like I now have ( although I am trying to take Probiotics for a while and I already eat incredibly healthy so I will see how that goes first )

    Funny you should mention the Kefir as my grains arrived today for me to start making it. I am also using probiotic yoghurt and have also made some Sauerkraut!

    Please keep me updated on your sons situation if possible 🙂

  • posted by  ste92 on Micro biome testing
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    Thank you for the reply. Maybe in 3 months if I can scrape the cash together I will try it too. I was thinking the DNA test looked good too but the reason I had my doubts about their products.. they seem to claim they can do food tolerance tests from the DNA pack which is from your saliva. From previous research I was under the impression that all tests like that are not reliable in anyway, similar to the hair sample test. I hope I am wrong but I am sure I have heard that only properly done blood work can give you that information.

    Anyway, my point being, does that mean their tests are not as ‘reliable’ as they come across on the website…. Hopefully I am wrong of course as I would like to have some done. more so the microbiome one to start.
    Does anyone else know if this is a well reviewed company?

    I think there is a company mentioned in the book but I cannot remember who it is off the top of my head.
    Thanks

  • posted by  trigel on British gut project results
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    It was Roaccutane, he was only on it for 6 months, as he developed severe depression (which he’d never had before). He sent a sample to The British Gut Project (£75), but they don’t provide any medical or dietary advice. I believe there are commercial companies who do offer advice after testing, perhaps someone on here can advise? We have started using kefir, have a google, I bought a book called The Kefir Solution – Natural Healing for IBS, Depression and Anxiety. Kefir treatment is also good for the skin.
    He is starting to feel a bit better, his IBS (which we didn’t realise he also suffers from), has definitely improved and his depression also seems to be slightly better, although it’s very early days.
    Best wishes.

  • posted by  Topcoach on Micro biome testing
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    Hi ste92. The testing mechanism was very well designed and easy to use (streets ahead of the NHS one). I think it took about four weeks for the results to come through but the company keeps you advised meanwhile. The results were presented through an app for my iPad and showed areas of risk rated from high to low and what you can do to improve your diet etc. It also shows a detailed breakdown of the gut bacteria, with percentages, and advice as to where to increase or decrease these. I discovered they use a traffic light system to rate the changes needed and how these are assessed i.e. Against a cohort of data (these were not immediately obvious nor explained and in my discussions with their support team I believe they are looking to make improvements). It would be useful to retest after a period to see what may have changed. The areas looked at were bacteria diversity, vitamin levels, dietary fibre and overall health. I also took the DNA test as a package. The results took longer to appear but were then overlaid. However, I am at a loss as to what you can do with the results apart from knowing the risk factors!

  • posted by  ste92 on British gut project results
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    Sorry I am not much help to answer your question, but I would like to follow this thread as I have been on acne medication for about 10 years without realising it was actually antibiotics ( silly me I know..) Do you mind me asking what mediciation they had him on?
    Also where did you get this kind of test, is it at the Drs or a kit you send off and pay for. Thanks

  • posted by  ste92 on Micro biome testing
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    What information do they give you exactly in terms of your gut bacteria?
    Also did you get the gut microbiome test along with the DNA test they do as a bundle, or just the microbiome one if you dont mind me asking?
    I recently stopped taking antibiotics after about 10 years of been off and on them for back acne so now I am very worried my bacteria will be all kinds of messed up. So I am wondering if this kind of test would be beneficial for me? Although it does say wait at least 3 months after antibiotics to take it.
    Thanks

  • I’d be a bit sceptical of someone who said we are 99% bacteria when 60% of our body mass is water. About 90% of the living cells in our body are bacteria but that is a bit meaningless as they are much much smaller than human cells so are only about 1-2% of our body mass.

    https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/fyi-how-much-bacteria-do-people-carry-around

  • posted by  EatingMadness on Highly sensitive to nearly all food
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    I am doing better, not 100% but I feel like I am managing my diet better. If I avoid gluten, most dairy, sulphites, nightshades and solanine then I can cope day to day. The nightshades were key and can take 2-3 months to really show improvements, so if you’re looking at this food group and think it might be relevant then stick to a nightshade free diet for 3 months. The spices are key to avoid too – I accidentally had a small amount of paprika and felt awful later that day and it lasted for a week. My joints all seized up and it felt like my bones hurt too. I was moody and grumpy and achy for several days.
    I have also added a B12 oral soray and ubiquinol which has helped loads. I have an energy deficiency and on the supplements I gained a stone in 3 weeks whilst maintaining the same diet. I think this shows that I wasn’t digesting food and now am. I feel like my body is functioning properly again, which is great:-)
    It took a while to get used to this diet, but I can now eat out in some restaurants and know what sorts of foods to avoid completely. I am still eating mainly fresh food but have managed to add a few treats like the occasional coke. A big benefit has been the discovery of Orgran Flour – it is gluten and potato free, so I can now bake cakes that I can safely eat. That has added a new dimension to my foods which has been very satisfying:-)

  • Hey guys,
    I just came across Kale Brock, an australian gut health journalist and researcher that has great useful content when it comes to gut health and how to take care of your gut.
    He’s doing now a video series with nutra-life, thought you might find it interesting:

    Gut Health with Kale Brock

    Gut health journalist, researcher and documentary filmmaker, @kalesbroccoli takes us through this amazing series on gut health.In this episode, Kale discusses how our bodies are 99% bacteria – so the microbes in our gut, directly affect our fitness, immunity and happiness.Throughout this series Kale will be sharing with you his favourite recipes, how-to’s and lifestyle tips that you can use to transform your gut health from the inside out!….#kalebrock #gutrelief #prebiotics #probiotics #indigestionrelief #digestiveandimmunesupport #dailyhealth #highpotency #guthealth #healthyguthealthylife #nutralife #takechargelivewell #healthylifestyleeveryday

    Posted by Nutra-Life Australia on Sunday, September 2, 2018

    He also has healthy recipes on the youtube channel – the raw nutella is soooooo good

  • posted by  MissIntolerance on Highly sensitive to nearly all food
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    Hello GolfJumper – thanks for the prompt.

    Nothing has really improved unfortunately. Sometimes I know I’ve eaten or drunk something I shouldn’t have done – and suffered for it. Other times I really can’t work out what has caused the bad reaction. In relation to alcohol, this is quite a problem, but quite recently I had quite a bad reaction to Marmite and realised that it contains ‘brewers yeast’ rather than bakers yeast, so wonder if it’s actually the ‘brewers yeast’ in alcohol which is the specific trigger. Wine is the worst for yeast content, with spirits having less in. This may or may not be helpful to others!

    If I’m having a very bad day, I will have a couple of squirts of ‘Sudafed Blocked Nose’ spray. This works well for me in terms of quite a fast and significant improvement in my ability to breath through my nose , but it’s all chemicals, and there are lots of cautions with it about not using it continuously/too often, otherwise it could end up with the opposite effect. There a lot of different nasal sprays available and different ones work for different people, but they all need to be used with caution. I found reading the Amazon reviews very helpful before buying. I’ve also bought several that others recommended that did nothing for me. So it’s very much trial and error with them.

    I also use nasal strips at night (Breathe Right Congestion Relief) which help a surprising amount, as lying down is the worse for me. I cut them lengthwise which creates a narrower strip, but it still works just as well, so get double to number out of the box!

    I avoid tomatoes all the time, but do sometimes have potatoes. I’m not sure if potatoes add to my problems or not. As I mentioned earlier, sometimes I really can’t pin down the cause of my sudden sneezing fits and streaming/blocked nose. Certainly dairy doesn’t help as I do notice a worse reaction after ice cream in particular.

    I’ve also recently noticed a bad reaction after eating bakery products from Morrisons bakery, i.e. cheese scones, scotch pancakes etc. Really odd as you wouldn’t think products like that would have bad things in, but of course they use a lot of preservatives, flavourings, colourings etc. I’m not saying Morrisons use anything different from other supermarkets, it just happens to be the supermarket that I’ve bought them from and reacted badly to.

    Going right back to when I was having antibiotics and the concerns around them killing off the good bacteria in the gut, I now take ‘Lactobacillus Acidophilus’ which was recommended to me to help re-balance gut bacteria. No idea if it’s doing any good or not, but reviews were good on Amazon, so I take them!

    No magic wands for any of us with intolerances unfortunately, but it’s always good to look for ways to try and improve our situations.

  • posted by  GolfJumper on Highly sensitive to nearly all food
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    It’s been 9 no this since your last update and I’m sure a lot of people read your posts, as did I. Can you give an update on how you’re doing so we all can benefit from your journey?

  • posted by  Daze Off on Kefir problems – newbie
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    Newbie Revisiting : About #Bio-tiful #KEFIR I discovered ‘Bio-Tiful from Morrisons, but I couldn’t buy it at the store, only on-line. So writing to ‘Bio-Tiful Dairy, they suggested Sainsbury’s…… Holy Mosley’s they have a good selection and flavours AND they also have another kefir from “The Collective” (same price, but different levels of ingredients – Biotiful has the most).

    As I initially was having difficulty finding Kefir, I only drank 2/3rds and refilled the bottle with warm Goats Milk and left it near the hob. When it seemed thick, I gave it a good shake, emptied 2.3rds again and refilled. The culture has been going and being consumed for 3 weeks, so I was in no hurry to chase Morrisons.

    Now that Sainsbury’s have BOTH makes, I’m keeping a few going in the way I said above.

    Q:??? Am I doing something dangerous?? Bad? or can I just keep going?????