I think it was 2-3 weeks, Steve.
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posted by Steve Maggs on Advice on fasting needed
on 25th May 2017 at 11:06 pm in Intermittent fastingOh and plenty of water
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posted by Steve Maggs on Advice on fasting needed
on 25th May 2017 at 11:06 pm in Intermittent fastingYes I struggled at first but it got easier.
To be honest, I had to sort some aspects of my life out before I could handle it. Because stress was making me comfort eat. Now I’ve done that, it’s a lot easier. Plus I’ve found that after a few weeks, the hunger gets less.
The other thing I do, on the day before a fast I eat much later in the evening than normal (about 8 or 9pm). That way I wake up not very hungry. I can then happily leave it till 3.30pm when I have a meal containing loads of vegetables and some eggs & salmon. That fills me up till about 8, and then I go to bed hungry.
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Yes I signed up for this 2 days ago. Not quite sure when exactly they will post the test kit. How long does it normally take?
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posted by Steve Maggs on Just started – skin feeling hot all over
on 25th May 2017 at 10:59 pm in NewbiesSo, I’ve started some aspects of the diet including more fermented foods and 5:2. My first week.
Previously I had ezcma, asthma, candida rashes like athletes foot and nail fungus. Hence why I thought this might help.
Only thing is, since starting this I kind of feel hot all over and my skin feels flushed. Not particularly unpleasant. Is this normal? I’m just not sure what it means? Is there like a war going on in my stomach between the various gut bacteria??
Appreciate any thoughts. Sometimes it’s weird working out whats going on. If only we could speak to our gut flora friends!!
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I’d sound a note of caution regarding long-term use of potato starch, if you google potato starch colon cancer you’ll see what I mean. It may be best rather than taking it as a drink to incorporate it in a meal with some form of fibre to help it get tomthe right part of your guts.
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It’s : http://britishgut.org
I won a lottery scratch card hence I submitted a sample. It’s not cheap! -
I got mine from Dennis the chemist – they arrived a day later.
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I’m not sure about the forum yet, it’s early days still. What’s a phpBB type forum? I’ve been on the blood sugar diet forum although not very actively posting and that seems ok. I also dallied with the 5:2 forum and that seems lively and fast moving. There’s a 5:2 and a BSD forum on mumsnet – I’m an aged mumsnetter !! They are quite quite lively – the forums, that is
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I’ve also got the kit to do the test and then I got a bad cold and didn’t do it – I may do it and send it off.
I read Tim Spector book the Diet Myth it’s very enlightening. I also read an article in my google searches that the only approach that Tim Spector advocates is a Mediterranean diet with intermittent fasting. I’ll post the link if anyone is interested in it -
This sounds interesting. Do you have any further info/links?
Thanks.
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Sorry for posting this in the welcome section, but it appears that several of my posts have ‘disappeared’.
This has happened in the Prebiotic forum. Both with my reply to a topic and also a new post about Bimuno. Not sure if you have enabled forum ‘flood control’ and this has prevented it appearing or it has just got lost in the ether?
(Incidentally, I don’t find this forum that user friendly. Have you ever thought about incorporating a phpBB type forum?)
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You can buy VSL#3 Probiotics from here: https://www.vsl3.co.uk/
Or you buy it from your local Lloyds Pharmacy (they keep it in their fridge).
Personally, I wouldn’t buy it from anywhere else, although there are sellers on amazon etc. It needs to be shipped in a chilled package and direct from the fridge. Also, VSL ship via tracked next day delivery.
Hope this helps.
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okay, so I’ve twice typed and submitted a post in this thread with the link to Bimuno prebiotics but neither have appeared!
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Sorry, richwnewman, I initially read your post as “probiotic”! Yes, you can get prebiotics that Michael used from Bimuno https://www.bimuno.com/
Barbara – they are now back in stock! ๐
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I buy mine direct from VSL#3 website or Lloyds Pharmacy.
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All those new to fermenting and Kefir making, I would highly recommend the Facebook group – UK fermenting friends. They are well established and an excellent kefir grains sharing resource. I currently make my own milk kefir, sauerkraut and I’m starting to experiment with more fermented veggies.
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posted by Jb21 on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 25th May 2017 at 3:18 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessWould like to take part in the study. Thank you
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posted by Nanndu on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 25th May 2017 at 2:29 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessI would also like to sign up and am interested in advance of what the protocol will be.
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posted by karenck on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 25th May 2017 at 2:01 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessHello I am interested in signing up for the potato starch study
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Meant to type Probiotics!
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Where can I buy these in the U.K. Only ones coming up are in USA or New Zealand. Thanks Maureen Milsom
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posted by Ding on Ratio of Macronutrients on Fast Days
on 25th May 2017 at 11:14 am in Intermittent fastingFor those of you who do intermittent fasting do you just count the calories or do you aim for a specific Macronutrient ratio and if so what?
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Well you are asking a supplier of seaweed food and capsules – so my answer would be yes! But for you to be able to make your own informed decision, you would have to have trust in the brand/company (there are many supplement companies that are not trustworthy as it is a notoriously unregulated market, but then there are good ones), then you will need to look for the evidence behind the active ingredient (the company should lead you to research from their website to demonstrate the benefits), and you will want to know that it comes from a clean and well managed coastline (seaweed can suck up industrial pollutants that you don’t want). The main issue is that this is such a new area of rediscovered knowledge, the markets and products have not kept up. There are a number of simply milled seaweeds in capsules on the market, but not many yet with the concentrated dietary fibre component with science behind it – but watch this space as there will be soon. Importantly if you buy any seaweed in capsules or powdered form as a supplement and it seems to be a brown kelp, then you just need to make sure that you are not overdosing for iodine. Some kelps concentrate iodine from seawater way too much for them to be edible in quantities everyday that make it useful as a dietary fibre (notably Kombu (Laminaria or Sugar kelp)). These are still good sources for trace elements, and they can have certain pigments (phenolics), that can also be good for the gut in other ways than the fibres. But the source and the function of the supplements should be made clear by the company/brand. Many other seaweeds from clean coastlines you can eat abundantly and they don’t accumulate iodine so much, notable the green, sea lettuce types. A little bit of seaweed every day in anything you can is a good practice, and supplements can help too, but ask the company to give you the information you need to trust them.
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That’s great, thanks a lot Barbara
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Are there good and bad types of seaweed fibre supplements to look out for?
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Hi, there’s a tab at the top for recipes and you can submit your own – probably better than a forum strand, as it is more formatted and lets you add lots of info. I’m going to put in a few of mine when I can find time.
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I remember thinking about doing this but was laid up at the time after an accident, then forgot about it. Do you have a link to the project, assuming it’s still on-going? Thanks.
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If you get the seaweed in your diet then that is all you need – like for all things nutritional. But seaweed capsules are good when you can’t keep up with nutrition through food intake or want to concentrate and fill in your nutritional gap that is missing – like prebiotics. So things that you know you aren’t getting enough of (and the west is 50% deficient in dietary fibres), then quality capsules with evidence behind the effects will help. But the easiest way is to keep a jar of dried seaweed by the stove and just throw a little bit into everything – not just the miso soup – unless you eat miso soup everyday!
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Hi I Keep Trying
Yes, I think Clever Gits would be an excellent collective name for us all! ๐
Well done you! You have gone for it! Really inspiring and impressive, especially the bike riding just after you’ve dislocated your shoulder. It’s always quite daunting and overwhelming starting a new way of eating, working out what to eat, and how to make the diet work for you, especially when you already have huge limits on what you are able to eat. I think it’s important to eat foods in this diet that you really enjoy as much as possible, so that you don’t feel deprived or denied, and to give yourself little treats along the way, to keep your spirits up. I treat myself to a nice cup of coffee in the bath, with a good book from the library, when I’m feeling a bit low, it really makes me feel good. Also, watching a good film is a pick me up. Whatever works to keep yourself positive. And I remind myself that this food is healing me, and nourishing me, so that I don’t feel resentful about missing out on junk food during the craving moments. You deserve to do well with this diet, and I really hope you get some fabulous results. I am making very small, tentative changes, taking my time, as I’m so afraid that any change might make my symptoms worse. But any change in the right direction is good progress. Keep up the good work! -
I am a big fan of Tim (akaTom in the book) Spector and so I invested in citizen science and contributed a stool sample 18 months ago for analysis for the British Gut Project.
I now have a profile and list that I bearly understand but would love to discuss my results more.
Anyone else in the same position or know any good resources to help me?
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posted by Ding on Nightshade Intolerances and Depression
on 24th May 2017 at 9:50 pm in SensitivitiesHaving tried to increase my intake of resistant starch by adding cold potatoes to my lunchtime salad I noticed that I felt seriously depressed later in the afternoon, whilst my initial presumption was that this was caused by a drop in seratonin during the climb down from the carb intake I wondered if this could actually be a symptom of a nightshade intolerance.
Interested to hear other opinions, especially from those undertaking the potato starch experiment.
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Start slowly! Mix a teaspoon into a glass of water and drink it. I think you can build up to a couple of tablespoons a day but if you go in at the high end you risk gut trouble.
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Amazon sell potato starch, or search for Bob’s Red Mill Potato Starch on google, there are various retailers.
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posted by Ding on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 24th May 2017 at 9:32 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessIn the FAQ it says that the study is being looked into and to sign up for the news letter to keep informed.
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posted by Abbi on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 24th May 2017 at 8:54 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessI’d also like to sign up for the study
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Hello. Where does everyone source their food (apart from the usual supermarkets). I’m interested in good quality salmon and olive oil.
Thanks!
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posted by Momilsom on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 24th May 2017 at 6:00 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessHi. I would like to sign up for the potato starch study. How do I do this?
Maureen Milsom
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Hi
There’s quite a few of us clever gutters here now – I accidentally typed clever grits and thought that was quite amusing we could name ourselves the clever gits
I’m wondering how everyone is doing so far. Im still trying to get my head round the whole programme. I got my delivery of VSL#3 this morning so will start that tomorrow Ive tried to work out a shopping list of things I’ll need and am heading off to my local a health food shop and supermarket tomorrow
I’m working on cutting out wheat and sugar and trying to follow a Mediterranean diet. I’ve also been on my bike which is progress as I dislocated my shoulder 2 months ago so was a little worried my ligaments weren’t strong enough to support my shoulder -
posted by Pollypop on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 24th May 2017 at 4:35 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessHi, I’m interested in taking part in the potato starch study
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Hi, I believe the one that the Doc was using was bimuno.It looked like it anyway. I used to take it, but my chemist stopped selling it. It’s galactose oligosaccharides, the same sort of fibre that’s in beans if memory serves. I just looked at Amazon as you made me think I might order some, but the powder type that I used to use is out of stock at the moment. Possibly because everyone saw that programme! Hopefully it’ll be in stock again soon. Hope that helps.
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hi i am due to have one in the next fortnight i am wondering if anyone has had one and offer advice
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Thanks for the responses.
It looks like these are probiotic supplements. I was actually looking for prebiotics.
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Yes, VSL#3, that’s the one I use – one sachet a day mixed in water or in food – i.e. yoghurt.
I recommend buying direct from their website or from Lloyds Pharmacy (they keep it in the fridge so you might have to ask) just to make sure you’re getting the authentic product. It is despatched from VSL via next day delivery and in a chilled and insulated box.
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posted by christiaan on Where to sign up for potato starch study
on 24th May 2017 at 1:06 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessI’m interested in signing up to the small study on potato starch mentioned in the book. Where to for that?
I’d be interested in green babana flour being tested too.
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In his book Michael Mosley recommends VSL# 3
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posted by IKeeptrying on Potato Starch
on 24th May 2017 at 12:50 pm in Stress, sleep and mindfulnessThat’s interesting, Midas and good that you’re sleeping better. I’m an insomniac and find when I’mve not slept well I lose all motivation for dieting or eating healthily.
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Great book, exactly what I have been talking about to my dietician (who also agrees) and my gastro consultant (who is a sceptic, and of the “anxiety” causes gut problems thinking, which is not helpful!).
Apologies for next bit; don’t like to moan on about my ailments, but just in case anybody recognises themselves or someone they know with the same symptoms, it just might be helpful!
Am 49 year old woman, who has had food sensitivities since my early 20’s, of what I didn’t know at the time but now understand to be “oxalates”. I used to become profoundly ill after ingesting food containing high levels of oxalates, e.g. Curry, ground coffee, chilli, strawberries, spinach and beetroot. I have just avoided all these foods most of my adult life.
When I was pregnant at 40, suddenly became extremely ill with debilitating headaches, agonising sinus pain, and general severe pain throughout my body, prolonged vomiting and days of exhaustion. This went on for the next 5 years; I was so ill, I barely left the house, could not socialise and could not work. I never realised all these symptoms could be related to food, until I read an article from the Daily Mail my friend passed to me, written by Dr Clare Morrison, about oxalates. When I cut out oxalates from my diet, my symptoms disappeared, to my absolute joy! Coincidentally, my acute asthma also disappeared at this exact time, which was the cause for all the antibiotics over the years, ironically. (Is it possible that oxalates contributed to my asthma?!?!)
However, my intolerance to oxalate has slowly become worse, and I can now only ingest very small amounts of apple, broccoli, courgette, peas and melon without becoming profoundly ill for several days. I have recently had a perforated bowel, but luckily managed to avoid surgery (after iv antibiotics, and a further 2 weeks of antibiotics!!)!
I believe the root of my intolerances stems from having a leaky gut, caused by extensive antibiotic use, and will be using this book and the advice within to try and heal my gut.
Agree with some comments above that some advice, e.g. recommended brand of probiotics to use, is not available on this website as directed in the book.
But so happy and so relieved that research and information about gut microbiome is finally being researched in depth, and fantastic books like this are being written. Am having my poo analysed in the near future, via Human Food Project. The work and research being done by Jeff Leach is very interesting, and I urge you to read of his work and research with the diet of the Hazda tribe in Tanzania.
Really think Michael Mosley is onto something here. Good luck everyone with your future endeavours to heal your guts; it won’t be easy, but will be most definitely worthwhile. -
I’d love to have the poo analyis done ( never thought I’d see myself typing that message to people I’ve never met before ! ) but likewise , just discovere that Ubiome don’t do this for the UK. Tried looking elseweher and saw a Kings College crowd funded research programme offering similar. Had anyone tried that ? Expensive as you have to ‘donate’ and then you get something called ‘perks ( which is apparently how these crowd funded things work ) dependent on the level of your ‘donation’. Don’t want to part with hard eearned case before finding out a little more so just wondered if anyone else has participated.
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Someone mentioned this in a topic somewhere, but I cannot find it again…….. I do find the website a bit tricky to navigate but the book is great! Anyway, since watching one of the programmes about Kefir, I have been making it for myself. I bought my first lot of course but since then, it has grown enormously and I have been able to pass some on to friends and my local Physiotherapist too.
It is so easy, just so long as you remember it must be organic milk and plastic used when straining or stirring it. It is really tasty and hopefully, is helping my Old Friends to prosper. Plus, maybe adding a few more? I am going to incorporate more of the things mentioned in Michael’s book too, as no point in putting good bacteria in the gut if one doesn’t then feed it properly!
So, don’t hesitate, buy some and get making for your family too. I have six dogs and they all get a small drink of Kefir milk every other day. They all line up in great anticipation – I’m sure they know it is doing them good.