A quick and dirty eye over a couple of study abstracts suggests that fermenting eliminates glucosinolates (sulphurous compounds) unless the vegetable is blanched first, and reduces the polyphenols (red-purple colour).

So basically pasteurised white saurkraut or kimchi is next to useless nutritionally. I

As a source of probiotics? I wouldn’t bother with anything pasteurised.

For beneficial sulphurous or polyphenol antioxidants, green or red leafy cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, kale, sprouts) are apparently far superior to white.

Not sure whether fermenting increases or reduces availability of these over raw or lightly cooked vegetables tho. Likely an answer somewhere online!

There is a thread on this that you might find useful in the Mediterranean Diet forum, and another in the Welcome forum.

Can cold pressed rapeseed oil be used instead of coconut oil in the recipes?

Im sure this should be posted somewhere else but as I am a complete newbie this seems the logical place.

If pasteurisation removes some or all of the goodies is it likely that Hengstenberg Sauerkraut (purchased from Sainsburys) is not actually going to be of any use as the label tells me it is pasteurised.

Thank you for any replies

yes I cant find them either?

Joe90: if possible get tailored advice from a medical professional (eg. registered dietician, gastroenterologist) who has full access to your medical notes and to your detailed food and symptom diary.

To diagnose food intolerances or allergies the ‘gold standard’ is a medically supervised elimination diet. Clever Guts phase one is a safer and less brutal version of that.

If searching online for information on diet after colectomy/ ileostomy, stick to websites that are evidence-based and not trying to sell anyrhing! So teaching hospitals, UK National Health Service, universities, registration bodies for medical professionals, charities for gut conditions.

Bikerboy: you may notice some improvement in your skin as quickly as a week after ceasing a harsh cleansing regime. Fingers crossed for you!

Please consult a pharmacist before adding anything to a drug or cosmetic product. Randomly applying microbes to damaged skin could worsen irritation or even cause an infection.

My nutritionalist did a blood test on me and produced an intolerance list of foods that was very long, however Dr Mosely in his latest book writes about his scepticism on these blood tests. I am looking for good reading material about health/diet without a colon.

Relatively salty foods that may fit with Clever Guts include traditional cheeses, sea fish and shellfish, seaweeds/ sea vegetables, some roasted nuts or seeds.

I am NOT recommending any of these foods to anyone in particular: please follow medical advice and keep a food diary.

M.Chung: If a registered dietician has advised your daughter that there are no dietary restrictions, then your daughter can proceed *with great caution*. Anyone can have unpleasant symptoms if they change too much too fast.

The starting point is the detailed food and symptom diary (p.187). Your daughter may find my comments on this in the ‘Azathioprine’ thread, ‘Probiotics’ forum helpful.

Then, as GrahamPhillips says, make changes very slowly and one at a time.

M.Chung: be cautious with UK nutritionists, check they are properly qualified and registered. For many years the title was not protected, so even those with very low level qualifications (GCSEs!) could practice.

In the UK deticians must be qualified to honours degree (often higher), then one years supervised experience, register with a professional body, then keep their knowledge up to date.

Pure oils are all the same in respect of fat and calories. Butter is a little lower because it contains some water and milk solids.

Energy (calories) is supplied by foods rich in one of three macronutrients (fat/ carbs/ protein). The Clever Guts Diet is a reduced carbohydrate plan, so the calories have to be made up by another macronutrient: in this case fat.

Also a low fat brownie would likely be dry in texture!

I just made brownies and wonder why is coconut oil used in recipes when it is so high in fat and calories?

I bought Bob’s red Mill Potato Starch from the iherb website, now I have to try it, thanks for the ideas 🙂

My daughter was also advised to eat a lot of crisp by the stoma nurse because of the salt content. The NHS Dietician’s advice was that she could eat any foods. My worry is that she catches a lot of colds and has one at the moment, this leaves her exhausted.
I did take her to see a Nutritionist when her colitis was diagnosed and she did a food diary and was given a prescription for I think pro-biotics, however the colitis got worse.

this website shows certified brands : http://www.aboutoliveoil.org/qualityseal.html

Hi,I was reading in the Clever Guts book that someone had really eased his arthritis by changing his biome and Dr Mosley said there was more information regarding this topic on the website but I am unable to find any further information about this. Can anyone point me in the right direction or offer a link or just advice please?

No problem Sarah, good luck
I made x7 the recipe (again!) last week so you can tell how much I like it……
other things I’ve done are lacto fermented pickled onions (yummy) carrots, runner beans (surprisingly good) and piccalilli, all things 12 months ago I’d have never considered eating…..

Thank you! That’s really helpful. Hoping to try making my first batch of Sauerkraut tomorrow 🙂

Hi Sarah

Lid on is best to keep any nasties from falling in. Remember gas will build up during the ferment which could cause the jar to explode if its sealed tight. I like to use jars with airlocks which gives the best of both worlds however I also use normal swing top type Kilner jars. With these I either don’t put the rubber sealing ring on the jar and close the lid or make sure I open the lids a couple of times a day during the rapid fermenting stages (first week or so). With screw top type jars just don’t screw the top on tight so gas can escape, it all depends on the type of jar you have.

Hope that helps

Thank you Madski. All v helpful. Will try E45 mix and note your warnings. Food58

Thanks Firefox7275. It’s Rosacea not acne and have bedn onone tablet of Limecycline a day
for about 10 months now. I’ve always had what’s termed a dicky tum but since the Limecycline its muh worse so am gonna stop taking them soon improve my diet( its ain’t that bad tho) and stop my probably damaging rigorous facial cleansing for a more sensitive one. Thanks for your input

Madski: Although a bacteria has been implicated in papulopustular rosacea, and a yeast implicated in seborrhoeic dermatitis, *these microbes are neither different nor much more abundant than in those without these conditions.*

Instead it seems that symptoms are partly based upon excessive irrritation/ inflammatory reactions to their waste products (a protein in rosacea, oleic acid in SD). In both conditions the skin barrier itself is weakened due to some combination,of genetics, diet/ lifestyle, environmental factors, skincare products and habits/ techniques.

Madski: you may find interesting the published research into the structure and function of the skin barrier, effect of modern skin cleansing chemicals, effect of modern skin cleansing techniques, microbes that have been implicated in some common skin conditions.

The microbiome of the skin, gut, oral cavity and vagina are quite different. Furthermore what is healthy to take internally isn’t the same as what is beneficial to apply topically: olive oil (oleic acid rich) is a prime example.

I can’t work out from the recipes or videos if you are supposed to leave the lid off or on after squishing sauerkraut into the jar…please help!

You can read about L. reuteri on ‘selfhacked.com’ this site is updated regularly & information is referenced.
NB> L reuteri can cause weight gain …. L Gasseri is good if you need to curb your appetite or sugar craving.

For skin problems my theory is that modern washing products destroy all our friendly bacteria on our skin, thus allowing bad bacteria, that become resistant to harsh products, to flourish, use just water to clean your skin if not very dirty, wash only dirty areas with simple soap, no shower gels etc & certainly nothing antibacterial. I never use soap on my face (too drying) I mix 1 teaspoon of neem powder into about 3 tablespoons of E45 cream (not lotion) mix well, use in shower as can be messy! use on feet for fungal infections. after drying appy E45 probiotic mix ( 1 teaspoon of E45 mixed with one (open) capsule of probiotic), I have used L Gasseri & Alflorex. sand down thick nails with emery board to allow better absorption. Use twice daily. I think my no sugar, no junk diet helps too + I take olive leaf capsules which are also anti fungal. After many miserable years of battling rosacea my skin is now clear.

Please note:- Please take adivice of your GP especially if you have any underlying problems with your immune system before using probiotics.

Hi Madski
Can you say more about E45 and fungal treatment mix. For toe nails? Also about L reuteri. Many thanks.

Purple fingers – I use the same jars as you, I put the lid on then loosen it slighty so any gas/liquid can escape, I clean in dishwasher then rinse with boiling water then drain, I dont sterilise. After packing the cabbage in the jar I get a whole cabbage leaf & cover the top of the shredded cabbage & tuck it in, this I discard when the sauerkraut is ready to use.

Bikerboy – yes, I make my own sauerkraut, I used to buy it until I realised the one I was buying was pasteurised & useless. I also make kefir. I found that until I gave up the antibiotics my stomach just got worse as they were just killing off the good bacteria that I was putting in, there is a risk of C diff with long term antibiotics, your GP may (should) have told you this. I put no antibacterial things on my skin, each morning I wash with a mix of neem powder & E45, then apply a small amount of E45 with probiotics in. I have introduced the probiotics into my diet one at a time to assess my reaction to them. Each type of probiotic has a different effect & each person will be lacking different types. You are wasting your money taking probiotics that are being killed by the antibiotics, Ganeden BC30 is a probiotic that is quite tough & may help (according to research) ward off c diff. & has been proven to survive digestion, I take it as tea each morning (Stir tea). You say your libido is dimmed, although I can’t verrify this, I have read that the probiotic L reuteri is good for this.

Yes, I have cured myself of this in the last three months. I’ve suffered from acid reflux for the last three years and had a packet of Rennie in every handbag. I read the Clever Guts book in July 2017 and now eat a breakfast of raw oats, grated apple, grated ginger (half a thumb size) soaked for an hour in oat milk. I think the key ingredients are the apple and ginger. Good luck.

Bikerboy: Are you diagnosed with acne vulgaris OR papulopustular rosacea or both? They can look very similar but are very different. There is a thread around here on acne and rosacea if you run a search.

What dose of lymecycline are you prescribed, one that kills bacteria/ acts as an antibiotic OR low dose anti inflammatory only? The dose is relevant in the effects on the gut microbiome.

Low dose doxycycline is licensed for rosacea in some countries, not sure about lymecycline. Some cases are treated with a short course of higher dose antibiotics initially, dropping down to a low dose.You might discuss this with your pharmacist or the prescribing doctor.

A nutrient dense, anti inflammatory diet absolutely is important in the health of our largest organ. In rosacea a super gentle, barrier supporting skincare routine is also recommemded.

Hi Madski
Thanks for your reply its most helpful I’m slowly getting started on something similar now have been taking a probiotic tablet for ages(Acidopholus & Rhamnosus) and have just started Kefir production(I’m drinking about 200/250 ml a day. Do you make your own Sauerkraut or buy it. I’m not even sure the Lymecylcline wholly get shutof the Rosacea anyway but am scared to come of it as its greatly reduced it but nybstomach is like a witches cauldron my mood swings terribly and libido is greatly dimmed

Thanks again.

I am very interested in this subject as I also have no colon and a j pouch ( which works very well) but I am almost permenantly bloated and uncomfortable, I do have chronic adhesions tho!. I was given no advise on eating apart from eat lots of chrisps as the colon absorbs salt in your diet!!!.

Hello Graham,

Thanks for replying to my question re: the above,
I’m not sure what other information you require, please advise.
I am seventy years old and in good health apart from the condition mentioned.
I did suffer from a tumour in my right kidney which had to be removed.
I’m partially sighted, blind in left eye due to an accident.
As far as I know nobody in my family suffered with a Hiatus Hernia or Heartburn.

Regards,
West2Jim

Happy to but need a lot more info before advising

It could well be worth trying Symprove or VSL3 pro-biotics

Pealing organic is helpful but it only goes so far. Remember that any toxic chemical or (more likely) paucity of micro nutrients won’t change

I buy organic when available, or grow my own, limited choice in organic veg round here so I eat non organic too to add variety ( but I always peel non organic).

I have had this problem too, long term antibiotics (lymecycline) for rosacea wrecked my gut, I have changed my diet, no sugar, no grains, no junk, lots of fermented food, sauerkraut, kefir, soya yogurt, specific probiotics, I even open a capsule of probiotic & mix with E45 cream & apply to skin. I take some supplements, digestive enzymes, bile & olive leaf. No antibiotics for almost a year now & no rosacea, guts improving, + fungal nails have cleared too (I applied E45 mix)

Would your daughter be able to come online and supply more information about the dietician’s recommendations? Which food groups or types to increase/ reduce/ avoid; which aspects of the dietician’s advice were unhelpful?

Although some of us have healthcare qualifications or personal experience, I am conscious that we do not ‘trump’ a registered dietician with access to the medical notes.

Has your daughter been completing and analysing a detailed food and symptom diary?

She was seen by a NHS dietician but we did not find the advice very helpful. She has had her stoma for two years now but her rectal stump is still inflamed so there is no way that she can have a j pouch at the moment.

Hi,
I would love to hear if you have any dietary advice regarding the above.
Other than taking Ranitidine twice a day.

Many thanks,
j.maguire09@gmail.com

Have you thought of making your own? There are websites with instruction s. Once you have bought your equipment (not a lot) and bought the fermenting starter you need never spend anything again.
Haven’t managed to start doing it myself but I did read up on it and it looked easy.

Thanks Graham advice helpful.

I thoroughly enjoyed the book. There is a probiotic that was developed with the help of the University of Queensland called Perkii. The bacterium used in the probiotic is lactobacillus casei (Lc431). Perkii calims to use technology called Progel that encapsulates the bacteria which it allows to pass through the small intestine unaffected and it passes to the lower intestine and colon.
https://perkii.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/The-Geeky-Stuff-PERKii-Science-Brochure.pdf

This raises questions to me. Have you heard of this? How “good” is the bacteria used? I’ve included a link to a pdf about the product.

Awaiting comments.
Cheers
Rob

I live in Brisbane, can anyone recommend a brand of komboucha. The ones I’ve seen have low sugar but have stevia added which is a nono on the bloodsugar diet as the brain still recognizes it as a sugar.

Purchase Tim Spector’s “Diet Myth” and he tells you exactly what to do. His book is a jolly good read too..

In a word? Yes! Remember the skin, too, has its own unique microbiome. You might want to google “gladskin” – and yes Cleverguts is perfectly sensible – with a twist- the 5:2 diet is very anti-inflammatory and might really help your skin so I’d purchase The Fasting Diet book too

I ‘m assuming the colon has been replaced with a pouch rather than a stoma? That being the case I see no reason not to follow the CleverGuts diet but make any changes VERY slowly and one at a time.