There are two threads on Dr Gundry: ‘Mosleys View on Lectins’ in the Newbies forum, and ‘The Plant Paradox’ in the Welcome forum.

HTH.

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I was looking at the 5-2 diet suggested by Dr Mosley. I note that he now only fasts one day per week, which may be more sensible. I guess I would naturally compensate for the calorie restriction on the non-fasting days.

Hi,
I’d love to hear what Michael thinks about this book by Stephen Gundry and the info about the inflammatory effects of Lectins and the issue with A1 milk. Is there any validity in any of this, Michael? (I tried searching for an existing post but couldn’t find one. )
Thanks,
Cat

Will your family doctor or gastroenterologist refer you to a registered dietician? Please don’t make any major changes to your diet and lifestyle – inc. intermittent fasting – without consulting one of these health professionals (p.187).

The starting point to improving your diet is the detailed food and symptom diary (p.187-188). Use this to track the balance and variety of your diet, as well as track your intake of the relevant forms indigestible carbohydrates (soluble fibre/ insoluble fibre/ resistant starch). These have different effects on the gut flora and on the gut lining.

Wholefoods that help reduce inflammation include oily fish, low sugar fruits and non starchy vegetables. Different plant wholefoods – beans, lentils, seeds, nuts, grains, fruits, vegetables – contain different forms and amounts of different indigestible carbohydrates/ fibres. Various animal wholefoods are fibre free but contain other gut friendly nutrients, for example whole organic eggs, live fermented dairy, oily fish, other seafood esp. molluscs, organ meats. Websites like Self Nutrition Data allow you to adjust the serving size and compare the nutrients in different wholefoods from each food group.

How you ‘process’ your food affects how digestible or gut friendly it is. Cooking, cooling, blending, sieving and chewing are all relevant. Potatoes and rice have more resistant starch when cooked and cooled (p.268-269); blending and sieving the seeds from berries/ currants allows you to benefit from the phytonutrients (p.120-122). Don’t juice fruit and veggies: many of healthy compounds are in the pulp and skins.

HTH!

Which specific intermittent fasting plan are you asking about modifying? Some are quite prescriptive, others are very flexible. Dr Mosley encourages us to personalise our experiences and thus personalise the health benefits.

Whether someone is likely to lose weight depends on many factors, including their fat mass/ muscle mass, physical activity levels on fasting and non fasting days, available energy intake on fasting and non fasting days, how often they fast, how long they fast for, how much or little the IF protocol differs from their ‘normal’ diet and lifestyle …

Hi, I have recently been hospitalised with severe stomach pains, originally doctors thought it was my Gaul Bladder as the pain was around that area, and being a white western female who would typically suffer from Diverticula on the opposite side.
It wasn’t until an ultrasound then a cat scan revealed I like most asians has diverticular on the side I was in absolute agony with..
They kept me in for a week on strong antibiotics I fasted for 24 hours and now I have to follow a low fibre 20grams a day, until all inflammation has gone.
Then high fibre 30-40 grams a day for ever more… I would love to know if you would recommend fasting? Or ways in which I could eat this much fibre a day? And improve my gut so this doesn’t happen again…
thank you
Abby

I like the sound of the benefits of intermittent fasting except weight loss. I am only just underweight (bmi 17.8) but don’t want to lose more. Does anyone else modify the fasting, or just leave that bit of the plan? Thanks.

Hi Toddles,
I import the high nutrient extract to Australia and encourage people to add 1 tsp of it to a batch of cultured veg (1 whole white cabbage) for extra minerals & as a prebiotic. It does contain iodine (which most of us need a little) so its important to not have too much of it at once. It provides trace minerals Australian soils are lacking. The seaweed extract comes from clean water in Patagonia.
The phytoplankton cream I have imported from Canada and have limited supply – it is a large size tube and there are many testimonials for recovery from all kinds of skin conditions – they may be taking the phytoplankton tablets as well. The phytoplankton is farmed in a pharmaceutical grade lab in Canada. I encourage everyone to aim for a diverse and large population of microbes from fermented foods & consuming enough raw prebiotics as this is key. Here is a link to my site: https://www.healthkitchen.com.au/

Thanks for your helpful response. It was more of a recommendation, which seems to work, along with giving up red wine.

When you say “could contribute” do you mean might or definitely does contribute to your migraines? Were you given a clear medical directive to avoid all fermented foods, or was it more of a suggestion to try limiting such foods?

At its heart, the Clever Guts Diet is simply a *properly balanced and very varied* wholefood diet. Dr Mosley actively advocates personalising it, starting with the detailed food and symptom diary (p.187-188 & p.266-267). If the need to avoid all tyramine-rich foods prevents you eating a well balanced and very varied diet you might ask your family doctor for a referral to a registered dietician. If you are willing and able to experiment, you may well find you can tolerate modest ‘doses’ of some fermented foods but not others. An alternative is a freeze-dried probiotic in capsule form, such as Nexabiotic. But please do check with your doctor or pharmacist.

HTH.

Toddles: Has your son-in-law discussed the potential impact of diet and personal care habits/ products with health professionals (dermatologist/ registered dietician/ pharmacist) recently? Other sources of up-to-date information include websites of charities focussed on dermatological disorders, or organisations that register health professionals.

Food allergies or food intolerances can sometimes manifest as a skin condition. The diet can be nutrient dense and anti inflammatory or nutrient deficient and inflammatory. A detailed food and symptom diary (p.187-188) will help identify any imbalances, intolerances or insufficiencies.

Common ingredients in skincare or haircare products can irritate or further damage a genetically faulty skin barrier. Even when very dilute: my large elbow patch of eczema/ dermatitis was triggered by shampoo *bubbles* running down my arm! Others have found that ‘paddling’ in soapy shower water worsens skin issues on the feet.

HTH!

Ian Spencer: Participants of the trial mentioned in the Clever Guts Diet book (p.144-146) took two tablespoons, so a 30ml ‘dose’ of apple cider vinegar. I don’t have Dr Mosley’s Blood Sugar Diet book, but that may well have more information.

Do you have a blood glucose monitor? Testing yourself regularly would be a great addition to your detailed food and symptom diary (p.187-188). Different protocols (dose/ timing) may fit with different meals, physical activity levels, prescribed medication or BMI/ bodyfat.

If you are on any medication it is important to check any supplements with a health professional (pharmacist/ family doctor/ dietician).

HTH!

Hi Healthkitchen

I was very interested to read your post about the powdered seaweed extract and phytoplankton cream and would love more information from you as you have obviously already tried it and found it cleared psoriasis. If you could let me know brand names that would be really helpful especially if I am ordering from Canada (I am in the U.K.) and incurring shipping costs.
I have ordered the tablets from Dr Winberg’s website but as there is a delay in getting these I would like to hear more about any other possible alternatives to steroids or light treatment neither of which seem to be helping my son-in-law on a long term basis.

Many thanks.

Kind regards
F

I’ve just started reading Dr Mosley’s book. This book’s appeal might be a classic case of confirmation bias but I agree with you Tevenie. (I’m in your boat. MS +20yr controlled thanks to cheery picking the best of Wahls and OMS including daily moderate exercise and meditation because I believe that medication is not the answer for me.)

I am also looking forward to trying the new seaweed fibre, in the mean time I have a powdered seaweed extract (not ground up seaweed) that may help. Also a phytoplankton cream from Canada which clears up psoriasis – this one is sold in pharmacies. you can email me for more info if you like.

I am keen to try the cleverguts diet but have been advised to avoid fermented foods as they containe tyramine could contribute to my migraines. Is it possible to be on this program without consuming fermented foods and drink?

Thank you for this. So far I’ve been buying ‘raw’ cider vinegar from supermarkets but I’ll keep an eye out for the wine vinegar.

Does anyone know whether there is a recommended dose? I am pre-diabetic and I’ve started using cider vinegar to counter blood sugar spikes. I’m taking about 20 ml, diluted with 30 ml of water immediately before meals, which I find quite palatable. Is there any evidence for any other dosage regime?
Ian

Whether a given foodstuff is adulterated *and what that food is adulterated with* depends on supply and demand, availability of adulterants, and and on the potential profit margins. That will vary with the country of origin and the country where the end product is retailed. Italian extra virgin olive oils rather than Spanish or Greek EVOOs have been targeted because demand and prices are high internationally.

Here in the EU I suspect there is more lower quality olive (pomace) oil available than soy or rapeseed/ canola oils, but that might not be the case in North America, Australia or New Zealand. It is certainly not beyond the wit of man to adulterate lower quality olive oils OR other vegetable oils with colours or flavours. That has happened in other cases of ‘food fraud’ (eg. saffron, fruit juices).

ETA there is a Wikipedia article entitled ‘Olive Oil Regulation & Adulteration’ that looks to be well researched/ referenced.

It would be worth re-reading the section on resistant starch in the Clever Guts book (p.129-130 + p. 268-269). Do note that, for general gut health, Dr Mosley advocates a really wide variety and balance of prebiotic rich wholefoods, rather than processed supplements.

For a specific health outcome (eg. improved sleep quality/ quantity or stabilising blood glucose) you would need to test both potato starch and your green banana product on yourself, whilst maintaining your detailed food and symptom diary (p. 187).

This is because supplements interact with your unique diet, lifestyle and physiology. Just as with drugs, there is no one supplement that is safe or effective for everyone. So if you have a diagnosed sleep disorder or diagnosed blood sugar issues, or are on prescription medication check with a health professional first.

Wherever possible record and compare foods by weight (solids/ liquids) or volume (liquids only). Manufacturers’ serving sizes are often not realistic, or don’t fit with official healthy eating guidelines. Furthermore “one teaspoon mixed with … half a glass of milk before bed” (p.269) is NOT the same as another, as demonstrated by the potato starch threads here!

HTH.

I have recently discovered an Australian Made product which seems to fit the bill for good Resistant Starch. It is made from green lady finger bananas grown in Tropical North Queensland – Australia. It claims to have 9.5g of resistant starch per serve (plus magnesium, potassium, zinc etc). It is very palatable with milk. How does this compare with Potato Starch? Is it as effective?
Thanks!!

You know marijuana can cure some of the illness including my depressive disorder and anxiety, I am suffering it for almost 2 yrs now since my 1st born child past away. By the way, it happened when I am 16 yrs old. Yes, I am very young at that time. That’s why i don’t know what will happen to me that time. I can’t really imagine why she left me that fast. I know its kinda weird but I try to use MJ as my relief for what happens to me and I think it helps me a lot just what I read on this article https://www.greenmed.io/blog/cbd-treat-anxiety-new-study-aims-find/.

Thanks for your replies, Firefox7275 and MarieO! I feel as if I’m flying blind on this, so I’ve pre-ordered a biome test kit from Microba in Brisbane. Perhaps it will give me enough information to repair whatever is wrong with my gut.

The problem of olive oil being diluted with safflower or canola oil has bothered me for a while. I was very pleased to hear about a study done in New Zealand recently (2017) which looked at various brands. Now, as a Kiwi born and bred, I hate to say this, but the Australian oils came out on top. Red Island and Cobram estate brands of Olive oil were top for taste preference, olive oil content (100%) and other measures that make for a good oil. While it was tough to admit that the Ossies had won, I was also secretly pleased. You see, I had already figured out these two oils were good value and had been using them exclusively for the past year. I congratulated myself on my good taste and forgot about the nationalism. I’m not a football fan anyway………

The Spanish olive oils have a strong taste and I wondered whether this was a factor in their pure state. Does anyone know? Intuitively one would think it would be difficult to make an olive oil with such a strong taste that was cut with something else.

Wheat may be easily digestible but it is also one of the most modified foods we have with decades of selective breeding to refine its (commercially desirable) characteristics. Try switching to spelt which is the ancient grain that started the process off. Because modern wheat is so modified, a hyperactive immune system may go into red alert when ingesting it. In any case I am advised by my GP that wheat puts a fairly decent load on the liver and unhappy guts could do without this. A natural therapist once advised me to “think Asian and Indian” when considering diet at the start of getting myself well and it was a good rule of thumb. (though I went lightly on the hot spices). Use spelt, rye, rice, potato, sorghum, buckwheat, corn flour instead. One you have established a basic range of foods that you will not react to, you can introduce other foods back in, one at a time.

I have been making my own rejuvelac for years now. Sprouted wheat/rye steeped in water to brew. Strong acidic taste you get to really like.
Haven’t seen it mentioned here .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejuvelac

Thanks for this. I’ve just read the article and some interesting things to take on board. Shame it seems it cannot be cured though diet though 🙁

Specific health outcomes depend on many factors, including what your diet and lifestyle are like at present. There is an article elsewhere online entitled “Dietary Treatment of Graves’ Disease: Reviewing the Evidence” that you may find interesting. Sorry not to hyperlink, they mess up my posts for some reason!

Clever Guts is a properly balanced and very varied, nutrient dense wholefood diet. If your current diet is low in one or more micronutrients or is pro inflammatory, CG should benefit your physical health and/ or mental wellbeing.

Start with the detailed food and symptom diary (p.187 + p.266-267). Do also check with a health professional before making any major changes (p.187).

Dear all

You will have seen Dr Pia Winberg’s posting about her concentrated seaweed fibre products.
I was excited and keen to sample and trial some of these to help with my psoriasis issues. So she kindly set up a perk combining some of the products I wished for. You can find them here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/improve-your-health-with-unique-seaweed-solutions-food-vegan/x/18892440?secret_perk_token=ac275e1d#/
I also purchased her snacks as they look really delicious.

Warmly J

Hello, I’ve recently become fascinated by the micobiome and am wondering if anyone has experience or thoughts about how improving biome health could improve an autoimmune thyroid condition (graves disease)? I’m in my third relapse in 15 years. (Interestingly my last relapse occurred a month after antibiotics, which I hadn’t had for about 5 years…). I am so keen to avoid a life of medication if I can. Thanks Lydie.

Thought I would post my initial impressions of the two Rayners raw vinegars ‘with the mother’ that I purchased. So far I have used the red wine vinegar twice in ‘Middle Eastern tomato salad’, and the apple cider vinegar twice in ‘Raw mushroom and onion salad’ (both posted in the Recipes section).

The Rayners apple cider vinegar is less sour/ slightly sweeter than my previous brand (Biona Organic). In this particular recipe, the Rayners red wine vinegar does not taste any different to my previous product (Sainsburys own brand). Both bottles have plenty of ‘live’ sediment so need to be shaken well before using.

I am likely to repurchase, whether for myself or as a gift (pretty bottles!).

Dear all who have been looking for access to concentrated seaweed fibre sources, we have been overwhelmed with interest since our first clinical study and we are now wrapping up the second one where we had 50 participants with skin conditions. In order to be able to scale this to meet the demand we have started an Indiegogo pre-order campaign which means we can then scale faster. You can see the full story and the capsules, as well as other seaweed food products that are easy to eat everyday at https://igg.me/at/phycohealth
In addition to our clinical study participants, many people have contacted me directly and expressed their improved condition since simply being focused on their diet more and following Clever Guts approaches to food. This is great and hopefully with seaweed available now in a form that is easy and accessible in concentrated doses without too much iodine, this can be a part of your regime. It is wonderful that people can start to take charge of their health and learn for themselves what is working for them – we all have a unique gut and unique ways to improve it.
Best
Pia

Dear all who have been looking for access to concentrated seaweed fibre sources, we have been overwhelmed with interest since our first clinical study and we are now wrapping up the second one where we had 50 participants with skin conditions. In order to be able to scale this to meet the demand we have started an Indiegogo pre-order campaign which means we can then scale faster. You can see the full story and the capsules, as well as other seaweed food products that are easy to eat everyday at https://igg.me/at/phycohealth
In addition to our clinical study participants, many people have contacted me directly and expressed their improved condition since simply being focused on their diet more and following Clever Guts approaches to food. This is great and hopefully with seaweed available now in a form that is easy and accessible in concentrated doses without too much iodine, this can be a part of your regime. It is wonderful that people can start to take charge of their health and learn for themselves what is working for them – we all have a unique gut and unique ways to improve it.
Best
Pia

Dear all who have been looking for access to concentrated seaweed fibre sources, we have been overwhelmed with interest since our first clinical study and we are now wrapping up the second one where we had 50 participants with skin conditions. In order to be able to scale this to meet the demand we have started an Indiegogo pre-order campaign which means we can then scale faster. You can see the full story and the capsules, as well as other seaweed food products that are easy to eat everyday at https://igg.me/at/phycohealth
In addition to our clinical study participants, many people have contacted me directly and expressed their improved condition since simply being focused on their diet more and following Clever Guts approaches to food. This is great and hopefully with seaweed available now in a form that is easy and accessible in concentrated doses without too much iodine, this can be a part of your regime. It is wonderful that people can start to take charge of their health and learn for themselves what is working for them – we all have a unique gut and unique ways to improve it.
Best
Pia

Dear all who have been looking for access to concentrated seaweed fibre sources, we have been overwhelmed with interest since our first clinical study and we are now wrapping up the second one where we had 50 participants with skin conditions. In order to be able to scale this to meet the demand we have started an Indiegogo pre-order campaign which means we can then scale faster. You can see the full story and the capsules, as well as other seaweed food products that are easy to eat everyday at https://igg.me/at/phycohealth
In addition to our clinical study participants, many people have contacted me directly and expressed their improved condition since simply being focused on their diet more and following Clever Guts approaches to food. This is great and hopefully with seaweed available now in a form that is easy and accessible in concentrated doses without too much iodine, this can be a part of your regime. It is wonderful that people can start to take charge of their health and learn for themselves what is working for them – we all have a unique gut and unique ways to improve it.
Best
Pia

High fructose intake is a problem if you don’t normally eat fruit (and therefore have down-regulation of GLUT5 receptors in the intestine) or if it is consumed in the form of High Fructose Corn Syrup, as this is an unnatural combination of glucose and fructose, with a low glucose:fructose ratio. Fruit in its natural state is not really a problem. Bananas are a particularly good fruit source as they contain the prebiotic inulin which has many dietary benefits, are rich in potassium and don’t need washing before consumption!

Hi Glennith, I’d be very wary of taking any one specific genera of bacteria that claims to dial down pain. Chronic pain is mediated by the gut bacteria through mechanisms relating to the immune system and ultimately it is a result of dysbiosis which is so prevalent in populations consuming modern, industrialised diets. While consuming this diet in the long-term (and the compounded effects of our mothers and their mothers consuming these diets) can cause extinction, it is unlikely that introducing a single species would solve all your issues. Instead, take a high-strength probiotic which contains many strains and a sufficiently high CFU. The microbiome is a complex ecosystem and it is not usually a case of introducing a single missing species, but introducing many beneficial ones (which help each other and exclude pathogenic species).

By the way, I am not an expert in this and I realised after I wrote the reply that pasteurisation might make the kefir useless because the bacteria are killed. When I looked for more information I find different reactions to this question (the fermentastion is often after the pasteurisation). Maybe try the pasteurised kefir to see if it works for the acid reflux?

I read different things when looking for information. An official website here in the Netherlands states that buttermilk (also fermented milk and much more popular here than kefir) is allowed as long as it is made with pasteurised milk. Here they also make a difference between soft and hard cheeses, but soft cheeses are allowed when made from pasteurised milk. You can buy kefir here in supermarkets made from pasteurised milk, so I guess that would not be a problem during pregnancy.

Rayners have recently introduced a line of organic, raw, unfiltered, unpasteurised vinegars ‘with the mother’.

They claim their raw, unfiltered red wine and white wine vinegars are a first in the UK. Also in the range are raw coconut, pomegranate and apple cider vinegars, all ‘with the mother’.

The new line looks to be stocked by quite a few online health food stores.

Sorry to read how much you have been going through. I believe most of us in the West can improve our physical health and mental wellbeing via our diet or lifestyle choices, however small those changes seem. NO you are not a lost cause!

Did your gastroenterologist recommend any specific probiotic products or probiotic-rich foods? Can you get a referral to a registered dietician? It would be helpful to have their input on how probiotics and prebiotics can be worked into a lower residue diet, and how your diet can become better balanced and varied nutritionally.

Things to think about or to ask your gastroenterologist or dietician about include: Can you have a wider variety of oily fish and other seafood (esp. molluscs)? Iron-rich organ meats like liver? Whole eggs, other live fermented dairy (kefir/ soft ripened cheeses)? Lower sugar, antioxidant rich fruits (eg. berries/ bell peppers/ tomatoes/ avocado/ olives), IF they are blended and sieved to remove the seeds? Foods richer in ‘gentler’ soluble fibre or resistant starch (chia seeds/ cashew nuts/ oats/ barley/ potato starch) IF they are soaked to soften and/ or cooked and/ or blended first?

Then start working on your detailed food and symptom diary (p.187 + p.166-267). Once you have your baseline information, make any changes very slowly, starting with very small quantities of ‘new’ foods or supplements.

HTH!

I have heel pain and need arch support for my tired feet. I first wore them around the house for an hour or two at a time, as suggested. This past weekend I ventured out to work my daughters Girl Scout cookie booths. I was on my feet 2 hours straight and my feet felt great. orthofeet shoe really helps me do my job and cuts down on the pain I have once I am off my feet.

That’s how I feel!
I had an ileostomy 33 years ago for inflammatory bowel disease, possibly Chrons colitis but was always a grey area. Life with an ileostomy was good, I was fairly healthy worked full time etc . Always struggled with my weight as I have a very sweet tooth. Then life became very very difficult…..
Three years ago, aged 55, I had a hysterectomy for endometriosis. They perforated my small bowel. I now have an enterocutaneous fistula which basically is an abnormal connection from my small bowel to my skin so I now have two stoma bags. It’s a very long story through which I have been fed through my central vein (TPN), lived on fortisips, became afraid of food so lived on cake , nearly died thanks to sepsis and respiratory failure. I’m current,y watching my marriage die and my world becoming very very insular……..I must take control somehow.
There is no disease in my small bowel yet the fistula does not heal, my consultant feels nutrition is very important and has just suggested probiotics as the only thing that does seem to help the constant infections are antibiotics, which I now fear greatly having read all about the gut.
I’ve started looking in to it all and feel overwhelmed. Should I just be grateful t be still alive and forget about all the science. I can eat and drink normally thankfully as TPN is awful. But I do have to stick to grazing and a low residue diet. My diet tends to be fish, Greek yogurt, sandwiches, cereal, cake, loads of water , some wine , bananas , broccoli in small amounts . My small bowel must be working ok as I am 2 stone overweight. My bloods are ok, apart from elevated inflammatory markers and I’m slightly anaemic. Surgery has caused this fistula so repair is not an option at least not at the moment.
I lierally dont know where to start or whether to bother and would love some guidance .
Thank you all so sorry for the long post.

Further reading: Books and articles by Prof. Tim Spector, Dr Jeff Leach or Prof. Rob Knight (of British & American Gut Projects).

Continuing Profesional Development/ certification: Contact your registration body, and professional bodies registering dieticians/ nutritionists in your country of residence. Online course entitled “Gut Check: Exploring your microbiome” (linked to American Gut Project).

Other courses/ modules: universities offering degrees in dietetics or nutrition, Open University or your country’s equivalent.

I think this is a question for a specialist (eg. registered dietician or obstetrician). If you cannot contact these yourself, the midwife or family doctor should be able to.

Here in the UK mould-ripened soft cheeses are not recommended during pregnancy, whereas hard cheeses *even those made from unpasteurised milk* are considered safe. Kefir seems closer to soft than hard cheese. Futhermore a quick Google suggests it is possible for kefir to harbour pathogens such as Salmonella and Listeria.

There are commercial freeze dried probiotics marketed for pre and post natal use (eg. Nexabiotic, claims 23 species) which might be worth reading up on?

Hi. I am really interested in further study in Gut Health / Nutrition and mental health. I have read Michael’s book and the changes I have made to my diet have massively helped long term problems with IBS and also improved my mental health. i am a clinical psychologist and would like to train further in this area in order to incorporate with my therapeutic clinical practice. Does anyone know where I could start looking for training in this area? Thanks. Sarah

thank you, thats great advice….I do make my own and it is great fun, but when recommending to others, especially someone who is not keen on the whole idea , I thought better to be cautious.
thanks again.

Make your own! Its easy and great fun (not to mention cheap) I highly recommend the fermenting friends facebook group or if you can get to London the lovely people at The Fermentarium do some terrific courses..

she has tried Gaviscon but its not helping, she’s not taking any other meds.
Chuckling goat seem to be a reputable company as they regularly have to test their kefir for any nasty bacteria, would goats milk be better as more easily digested?