Tried that but for UK. Got loads of results with most seem to be suggesting ‘pay money and discuss the results with your nutritionist’.
One wanted £347 plus VAT with a six weeks wait…
So far as I can see, none do the same as the Weizmann people and suggest which foods to eat or avoid.
Early days, perhaps.
Keep an eye on the DAYTWO website and sign up for updates. Meanwhile there are alternatives such as UBiome and (my preference) mapmygut
Just google “microbiome sequencing service in australia” ?
Any information on the best olive oils in Australia?
where can I get a microbiome sequence in Australia, can’t find this information
It would be great to know when it’s available in AUS too.
I still think it’s a bad idea posting Kombu on the product page.
Christiaan: Many foods/ nutrients can be harmful if overeaten (eg. salt, natural sugars, vitamin D, organ meats like liver). People should not overdose if they consider balance and variety, dont randomly supplement without understanding nutrition/ dietetics.
All the dried edible seaweeds I have come in packages of low weight (12g-57g) and the recommended serving sizes are even lower (5g-10g).
Some seaweeds are unpalatable in texture or flavour in any sort of quality. Konbu is most often used to make dashi ‘stock’ in East Asia. I found it thick and rubbery even after soaking and boiling. Quite different to the packs of seaweed salad.
Each serving of fibre-rich or antioxidant-rich food adds to the total taken in the overall diet. 5g (dry weight) of Clearspring seaweed salad apparently provides 2.4g fibre.
Thank you! That’s very helpful 🙂
The chapter “Lunchtime” on page 212 in the book paragraph 2
“Or enjoy a salad made with a handful of bitter greens such as rocket, dandelion leaves, frisée or chicory and Apple Cider Dressing (see page 234), which will have a similar enzyme-stimulating effect.”
The Apple Cider Dressing recipe referred to is under the heading of “dressings” found in the index.
Hope this helps.
Actually I just managed to order the Phettucine and PhycoDerm. $25 delivery to the UK though, and supplements not yet available.
e.g. “PhycoDigest” green seaweed supplements and “PhycoGreen” green seaweed food products:
https://www.phyco.com.au/phycodigest
https://www.phyco.com.au/product-page/phycodigest-example
https://www.phyco.com.au/shop-1
https://www.phyco.com.au/product-page/phettucine
Website still under development it seems
Incidentally, the seaweed I think Pia promotes in Australia is green seaweed. I don’t know the iodine content of green seaweed but nor have I been able to find anyone selling green seaweed online.
It’s green seaweed or extracts of that Pia has perhaps been using in her experiments.
Sure, and that’s fine, but in his book seaweed was identified as a great prebiotic. And the person he quoted extensively in the book (Pia Winberg) has commented in this thread that “some kelps concentrate iodine from seawater way too much for them to be edible in quantities everyday that make it useful as a dietary fibre.”
So if somebody reads the book and then goes to the product page on cleverguts.com and buys Kombu etc., they’re potentially going to overdose on iodine if they start consuming it daily in the quantity needed to make it useful as a dietary fibre.
Christiaan: Dr Mosley advocates a really wide variety of wholefoods, including different seaweeds. Ideally we eat few individual foods on a daily basis.
Pia Winberg is marketing a daily seaweed supplement to people with specific health conditions.
No single foodstuff, drug or supplement suits everyone.
There are Nori flakes here which have far less iodine:
Pia Winberg wrote:
Some kelps concentrate iodine from seawater way too much for them to be edible in quantities everyday that make it useful as a dietary fibre (notably Kombu (Laminaria or Sugar kelp)).”
Which begs the question, why is the Cleverguts website linking to Kombu on Amazon?
The product page has a “Organic Seaweed Flakes” product:
https://cleverguts.com/shopping-guide-categories/products/
Which links to Kombu on this Amazon page:
I would also like to sign up for the potato starch study.
I would like to be considered for the Potato starch survey
I am just going to start on the reintroduction phase of the clever guts diet, as detailed in the book. Several lunches on the meal planner include an enzyme stimulating salad, but I cannot find this in the book. There is a reference to it being on page 212, but I have the kindle version, which does not correspond to page numbers. I can search the book, but there appears to be no actual “enzyme stimulating salad” recipe. Can anyone help?
Pleasure – let us all know how you get on..
Very interesting article – sounds like a huge breakthrough. Very glad to hear about fasting, I’ve coincidentally been trying Dr Moseley’s 5:2 diet (well, 6:1 so far) so am hopeful I can support that evidence..! Thank you for the advice, it’s motivating and positive :0)
Take a look at KEFIR (available from any polish shop) or better still make your own (its not hard) I followed Michaels lead and did the course at The Fermentarium in London (lots of info on youtube too)
Just to add: There’s a lot of evidence now that fasting has a huge benefit to a raft of inflammatory conditions including inflammatory skin conditions.. Try it!
Hmm So how was your leaky gut diagnosed and by whom? Have you had your micro biome mapped? That’s the obvious next step methinks… Graham
Hi Shelby- buy a copy of Michael’s 5:2 diet book and suggest your GP reads it. It was ground breaking at the time, its still extremely relevant -and it changed many lives including mine!
Its an inexact science, at least for now. I general terms it makes sense tobito avoid high GI foods, especially in large and frequent quantities (unless you have shares in type 2 diabetes that is). But for any individual you really can’t tell what High GI is without knowing the makeup of your microbiota
Interesting read. It would seem that although the idea of GI & GL had good intentions, recent research has discounted it as a general aid to diet. It can vary too much between individuals to be of any practical use.
I am considering deleting the info I have accumulated from my spreadsheets.
As far as adding all the GL results to give a total GL, I’m not so sure. In the example above, what does the total ’40’ actually mean? It does not indicate the ‘goodness’ or otherwise of the intake.
The Moo Goo products are not that natural. The cleansing agents are made by chemical reaction, they do not exist in nature.
True soap is highly alkaline: decimates the skin’s acid mantle and removes structural lipids. The saponified oils bear little resemblance to their parent oils. I would not even use that on healthy skin.
The shampoo is much better ingredients wise, depending on the pH and fragrant oil. But the blurb makes me wince.
Applying olive oil nightly may well have contributed to their test subject’s scalp problems. The main fatty acid (oleic acid) is the prime irritant in seborrhoeic dermatitis (greasy dandruff)! There are studies suggesting olive oil damages the skin barrier when applied topically.
Shaila:
Amazing the difference knowing the ‘whys’ makes! (No, that’s not a criticism – I think we all do it to a certain extent – don’t give all the details because we’re replying to something/posting something on a forum.) Yes, I can see that being in hotels might pose problems, at least when I go to Germany there’s always plenty sauerkraut around! My other diet-and-fitness guru, Leonard Morehouse, said that the best diet anyone could follow would be to eat as wide a variety of foods as they could get their mitts on, but moderation in all things. Even 40 years down the line, his advice not only still holds good, but appears to be confirmed by modern dietary thinking, at least, the thinking of folk like Michael Mosley, not the clowns who dream up faddy diets for the gullible!
And I didn’t fully answer your previous question re potato starch: yes, it is still working! Not only that, I forgot to take it last night (didn’t realise until I got up and found the still-clean glass!) and had a simply dreadful night, far and away the worst I’ve had since starting.
Re your comment on some potato starch being potato flour: my bag is marked ‘Potato Starch (Farina)’, which would suggest that it is, in fact, potato flour. However, I’ve used potato flour before for cooking, and this stuff seems to be completely different, both in texture and in how it reacts. (Now there’s a thought: I wonder how it would work as a thickening agent for rote Grütze? Must try it next time! Sorry, thinking aloud, as it were!)
I would like to obtain my potato starch from actual potatoes. I get making potato salad but what about soups – does it work if it’s in cold leek and potato soup, for example? Does it still work if the soup is re-heated rather than eaten cold? Does blitzing the potatoes affect the resistant starch? Where can I find out about cooking methods and resistant starch?
Thank you very much, Firefox and Graham. It’s difficult not to feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of factors affecting things like the skin – controlling everything is exhausting and…impossible! I will follow the link, Graham, I haven’t yet seen it :0)
I absolutely agree that any sort of fasting helps auto immune inflammatory conditions. That’s how, 30 years ago, I realized the connection. 5 days of not being able to eat lead to being free of pain from being in constant pain. Sugar, in all forms, wheat, alcohol and most fruit, still give me pain. Unfortunately, I’ve never found a doctor who has taken this seriously.
sever dyshidrotic eczema ????
Has anyone been able to buy the seaweed tablets?
I only use natural products. soap and shampoo moo goo
Hi guys thank you for your reply’s yes I have seen 4 dermatologists and they said they could not help me and gave me steroid cream diprosone ov which I applied heavily for three years. I have stopped now and am seeing a naturopath. am now taking the 3 antibotics to rid the blastocystis hominis before I start to reset my stomach. I have also an appointment with Dr. Antony Wettstein at the CDD coming up soon. Most people I have talked to with this eczema say changing my diet with less stress is the best way which I have done with no result. Has anyone been able to buy the seaweed tablets dr pia was referring to in the my clever guts book?
Hi,
I have been diagnosed with Leaky Gut so there are quite a few things I can’t eat. The more I eat something the less my gut likes it. I tried Paleo for 2 years and although it was good for a while I now can’t eat almonds or egg white. Which added to my life long dairy protein intolerance and legume intolerance is quite restrictive. I am giving this a good go and writing out my shopping list.
You would total the sum of the individual GLs. BUT! There’s a problem because the GI and therefore GL vary according to your microbiome.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-11/cp-fd111215.php
Interesting! I highly-recommend Rob Knight’s Book Follow Your Gut
Thanks for all of the responses!! I appreciate your taking the time. I also appreciate that there are a lot of unknowns and that each individual is different. (Thanks for the video Graham)
Just to be clear, my questions were a function of my natural curiosity and also trying to see how best to implement this in my life. I travel a lot for work during some periods and that means planning. So the source of my food is not always clear to me although I do try to make good choices when living in a hotel.. Fermented saurkraut is not on every menu. I also cook quite a lot at home when I can (lentil soups, curries etc.) but tend to freeze larger batches to re-use the next week. Knowing if this impacts the nutritional/microbial value would be helpful. I also make sushi at home sometimes which (bonus!) seems to be a great food for the microbiome (oily fish (have also made kimchi rolls), seaweed, and resistant starch (rice)…so knowing if the sushi rolls need to be refrigerated for a long time or just cold before eating to make them insulin resistant and extra healthy is actually useful for me. I used to only make this rarely because of the potential insulin response from rice but for my family this could be a really good way to get in a lot of goodness if we can avoid the insulin response especailly as diabetes runs in the family. Anyway, those are some examples of why I’m asking the questions I am asking…but I hear you that there aren’t any hard and fast rules…
Here is an interesting article on Resistant Starch with a lot of references to actual research for anyone else with a curious mind and a Ted Talk video that pretty much summarises some of the key research explained in the book. Enjoy.
https://chriskresser.com/how-resistant-starch-will-help-to-make-you-healthier-and-thinner/
The problem is if I consume four foods of GL 5 each and one of GL 20, do I average the values to give a value of 8 or do I total to give a value of 40?
Graham, It wasn’t me – I didn’t pay- please see my original entry……
You might find this interesting!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/45yhBTSM3x9H6lDZqmHNzCy/could-enzymes-called-endolysins-ease-eczema-symptoms-and-offer-an-alternative-to-antibiotics
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Graham
Totally understand.. I ‘d go back to the provider(s) and demand answers! I assume you paid a significant sum? If you want to email me your results (both sets) I’m happy to express a view…
Hello Graham. My original entry details labs used & note not by me so can’t ask the labs anything. Samples sent from same bowel evacuation.
Radically different results will not help someone like me who is trying to asceratin what his/her guts is lacking or has too much of….
Not sure I agree with you Flipstick
Have a listen to this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07cx2f0
BW
Graham
The 5:2 diet (which first brought Michael to fame!) is extremely helpful for a whole variety of inflammatory conditions including psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis. Well worth trying. Lots of other health benefits too!
Graham
Hi Jay165 good suggestions made here. Obvious question – have you seen a dermatologist? You might find this interesting as well:
BW
Graham